Ron, about my previous comments. I try to only bash people who bash others. Nothing personal, I do it to all that somehow bash on Calipari or Kentucky, or others that bash others that defend J.C. or Kentucky (with at least semi-sound logic). Confused enough by my own incohesiveness? I am lol.

(the rest is not facetious)

First thing is first – “Perceived” you said it.

Second – I never said you alone said it, I was simply making a point, which I continue to do.

Third – All of those instances that I cited could be portrayed by the media to be the utmost worst things in the world if they wanted to, but, again, anything connected to Kentucky gets a raw deal (that is my perception, not fact)

Fourth – Step back for a second. If you weren’t a Kansas fan, which I assume you are for your knowledge about the program is very deep, and were instead a Kentucky Fan, do you think your perception about him might be a bit different (this is not to say that all Kentucky Fans believe he is clean)? Do you think you would actually point to evidence? The answer *should* be yes. Having said that, if I were a Kansas fan, don’t you think I would be higher on Self? NOW ask yourself….. Is giving a blasting opinion fair to do to Calipari….. really fair? If your answer is no, after introspecting, then….. you finally should understand the Calipari problem. Now, you did state that you had* come to the conclusion that it wasn’t fair (that is my understanding although you didn’t explicitly say that). This leads to a question, then why did you try to clear up the “incidents” by saying “no allegations came forth”. HERES the obvious and somewhat hypocritical part on ALL OF US (I’m excluded, lol, jk) we don’t really care about other teams (than the ones we like) enough to take up for them (usually), even if it IS unfair. This leads to how you defended Kansas and didn’t actually concur with me on the Kansas problems. Another question that also makes a great point is how…..

Fifth – …. close are you to a program? – Do you think what you read might actually sway your thinking a bit? I’ll be honest, it does me. We (usually) stay close to our teams not by reading stuff about our team in other team’s articles…… but by reading our own…. caring….. loving… articles that cover the team we follow. Just as you are incredibly familiar with Kansas, I follow Kentucky to a beat with less knowledge of another program. Usually one has to get their (biased) knowledge from local media….. however….. espn changed that (allegedly). NOW…. going back to point 3…… is it fair for them to portray Calipari in a different light when nothing connected to him, vs. Self and R. Williams, in which, allegations were made DIRECTLY against him. REGARDLESS OF SEVERITY, which I still (personally) believe that what Self has done is just as bad if not worse. (Just my opinion, just as you have your perception)

My purpose – I’m simply trying to plead my case as you have your’s. Having said that, I don’t believe I will change (a lot) of people’s opinion on Kentucky or Calipari. But I will at least try to get one laugh out of somebody before they finish my comment (most of the time). For the record, again, I’m not a pastaboy fan. So we clear that up. I’m a Lexington grad, he’s a memphis grad. We don’t know each other, and I personally don’t “love” pasta because he calls somebody a “gayhawk” which I personally don’t think is appropriate (he stated it was purely jocular, although I might be more inclined to call it jugular lol)

(sorry for any spelling errors or major grammar errors)

first i never said self and williams were clean, nobody is. but they are perceived by people that are not memphis or UK fans to be much cleaner than Cal is. not saying that it is fair or right, its just the way it is.

Self attending wall’s game was not illegal. it was illegal for self to talk to wall during that recruiting period. Wall approached self after the game and self quickly said “i am not allowed to talk to you” and left. the matter was looked into and was not a violation. not a big deal

The KU mens basketball team had 0 sanctions against them when they won the championship. the athletic department (mainly for football and womens basketball) was on probation but not mens b ball.

Roy arranged for graduation gifts for some of his players before he left. it happened under self’s watch, so yes it was a violation but not serious enough to levy any sanction. all the mens basketball program got was further education of the rules. thats it.

The BB gun thing was not a big deal at all. im not sure why you are bringing it up. an 18 year old freshman from philly did something stupid the first month he was in school. luckily he didnt hurt the woman he hit. notice how KU had no problem with him since. Self handled it beautifully. was it embarrasing and stupid? yes, but i would rather have someone do that then cheat on there SAT’s.

thank you for being able to have an intelligent conversation!

Ok, here’s the deal about both situations.

1) UMASS – What would Calipari gain by having an agent pay one of his students? EVEN IF it was pre-setup….. wouldn’t the student have got the money before the season started…..? STILL FURTHER — Why would Calipari report it himself? If you have an answer after these INFORMED questions that “Calipari is still guilty!” Then you have a serious lapse in judgement, EVEN IF you still have the PERCEPTION that Calipari is dirty (I don’t condone perceptions, just when people think that a perception is the same as truth backed with facts).

2) D. Rose and the others with SATs – It’s been stated several times that other scores for other students were altered, his SAT is a legit question, I won’t debate the question, however, nothing has come out of the wood works even remotely tying this to Calipari setting the thing up. The other two students were committed to DIFFERENT schools when they cheated. Do you really believe Calipari would have helped them cheat to get into those other schools at a risk to him? As far as the bording school is concerned…. check out these two schools….. Oak Hill Academy (V.A.) and Findley Prep. (Las Vegas N.V.)….. See how many stars are being spouted out of those schools then tell me they are any different. Both are factorys of players.

(Sorry for all spelling and bad grammar errors. I wrote this late at night (lol) and usually I’m pretty O.C.D. about checking)

P.S. – Incase you have a hard time trying to find something to google, try these:

- “Kansas player shoots people with a bb gun” (simply copy whats inside the quotes and paste them inside google)
-”Bill Self attends John Wall’s game”
-”Kansas wins National Championship on probation”
-”Roy Williams paying players unc” (Not at UNC, but what Roy did at Kansas)
-”Myron Piggie” (This deals with Coach K)

NOTE: Even after all of this…… I’m still not knocking the programs or the coaches, I’m simply saying if you bash Calipari, Self and R. Williams must also be bashed because they have been directly implicated. Having said that, I’m not bashing anybody, except people that don’t come with the facts, because I do, In a facetious way, hehe. Have a nice day! =P

listen dude i understantd he isnt going to get penalized, and i know he isnt under investigation. but these things tend to catch up with coaches. so far he doesnt have a good track record, because both of the schools he has been at have had violations staring them in the face. he is 0 for 2.
for the record im not a Cal hater. the only team i hate is missouri. and that comes with the territory lol