And you guys already owned him, but I just want to add that Allan Ray is making a million a year playing in Italy. Not bad if you ask me…

Lowry now starts for Memphis. The fact that Lowry was selected in the 1st round and didn’t have to toil in the NBDL was amazing. If not for injuries, who knows where he’d be.

Same with Foye. He was bit by the injury bug in his NBA career, but he plays 35 minutes per game. He’s been getting to the line non-stop, and capable of dropping 20+ pts (5 of his last 10 games he’s topped the 20 mark). He was picked in the top 8, he was Big East POY.

Jay Wright has developed players. If Sumpter was never injured, he could’ve been a lottery pick as well. Who knows with Jason Fraser.

And let’s not compare Cheek to Foye, Ray, Lowry, who were all small guards. There’s a limited opportunity for these players to have NBA careers if they cannot run an offense. Cheek is 6′5″ and he may still grow another inch or two.. this plays at the NBA at the 2.

Your comments would be like saying it is Roy Williams fault that McCants, Sean May, Brandon Wright, and soon to be Hansbrough, are not phenomenal NBA talents. Throw Billy Donovan in this mix too; point is the argument can be put on anyone.

Getting small guards into the NBA is huge. Heck, Stephen Curry would not be drafted if it wasn’t for his father, Davidson getting into the tournament, etc. Would that be the fault of his coach or development? No. There are hurdles for college SG that aren’t big enough for that position in the NBA.

And Reynolds has developed PG skills. This year (albeit vs lousy competition so far) he has a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio, which at the college level is phenomenal. I agree with Chad Ford about his shooting suffering, but we haven’t even got into any Big East play. He’s taking less than 10 shots a game, but still getting to the line with frequency. To say that he’s regressed is poor; you improve/hurt your stock in conference play and the postseason, not in Nov/Dec.

For someone with the name PaHoops you really dislike Jay Wright. St Joe’s fan? Otherwise I don’t understand it. Villanova is not a premiere program on the level of a UNC, KU, etc. The man is great at what he does, especially when you consider that there has no dominant presence down-low. His “lack of an offense” has brought this team to multiple Sweet 16s and an Elite 8. Without Sumpter it nearly took down eventual champion UNC. If not for the amazing Florida program over those 2 years, it could’ve been more. Besides Kentucky 2 years ago, the man gets his teams into the tournament and competes at the highest level, typically losing to the hottest and best teams. Yes, what a lack of an offensive scheme….

And just this last point as a throw in – If you like the college experience and don’t run to the NBA, you get a pretty darn good education. Injuries can happen, and in this economy it’s good to have a fall back plan.

End of rant.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=DraftWatch-081211

As Stevepit pointed out you were completely wrong about everthing you said. Although Steve failed to mention how you were wrong about Lowry. You said Lowry can’t get off the bench…Last time I checked Lowry had over taken Mike Conley for the starting job on the Grizzles. Looking up what you sre talking about can be helpful big guy.
Zags, where are you predicting Cheek will land Nova or Kansas?

“Foye was a lottery pick but is being exposed in the Pros because of lack of development at Nova.”

Foye had a very good rookie season with Minnesota (3rd in ROY voting), and then got hurt and missed basically his entire 2nd year. So far in his 3rd year, he’s starting and averaging 14ppg, 6apg, and 3rpg. I would hardly call that being exposed. Randy Foye was a 4-star recruit, ranked around #50-#75 coming out of high school, and Jay Wright turned him into a lottery pick.

“Ray is in Italy.”

Yes, Allan Ray is doing very well in Italy, so how is that a knock against Jay Wright? He is another 4-star recruit who came to Villanova and is now playing professionally. He played one year in the NBA and is now overseas.

“Reynolds was a potential Lottery pick coming out of HS and he will not get drafted.”

Why was he a potential lottery pick coming out of HS? He was another 4-star recruit, he wasn’t a top 10 HS stud. He was ranked #76 by Rivals. Reynolds is an excellent college guard and has had a great 2+ seasons so far at Nova. If you’re using Reynolds as an example of why Jay Wright isn’t a good developer of talent, then that’s just hilarious. This is probably your worst comment and shows that either A) you don’t know what you’re talking about, and/or B) you are just a classic Villanova hater.

“Stokes and Fisher haven’t gotten better since graduating High School.”

Fisher and Stokes were both streaky last year, and Fish has had a slow start to his sophomore year, but Stokes is playing very well in his sophomore season so far. Both of these guys were huge parts of Villanova getting to the Sweet 16 last year, and both will continue to improve under Jay Wright.

“Grant has transferred.”

Yep, Malcolm Grant transferred because Villanova had so much talent at the guard positions that he wasn’t getting the playing time that he thought he deserved. There’s nothing wrong with that, and I’m not sure how that one is a knock against Jay Wright.

Jay is a great recruiter. He stockpiles talent. How much more would the current guys developed if Jay would have landed Tyreke Evans? If Dom goes to Nova he will be watching Taylor and Rosario in the Pros while he finishes up an outstanding 4 year College career and gets a degree. Nothing wrong with that. But if the Pros are his goal. Kansas is the better choice.